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DON'T VOTE in a system that isn't built for you!! FIGHT AGAINST IT!!!!
I never wrote a blog before in my life. So please bare with me.
Today was voting day in Georgia, where i stay. But i did not vote, and i am not ashamed. I am not doggin no one that did, i just can't seem to follow the voting thing. I feel like voting really only sustains the current system of oppression we call the U.S. government.
So I am asking: Why voting is valued so high in a nation where...
1. Our individual vote barely matters in the election.
2. Our government is built for a select few. The four faces of our country's "founding fathers," look the same as the faces of our country's president year after year. Our Supreme Courts, Senate, House of Reps, etc....most of those faces are the same Rich, White, Protestant, Men that have always had power in the "great" USA.
3. True change can only be made at the roots. If we want the tree to produce good fruits...you make sure that the roots are healthy, Same for our nation. If our nation and its governement is built on slavery, genocide and individualistic success at the expense of the neighbor, our nation will have a hard time making improvements in the system, when we do not attack the problem at its root.
I will not discourage anyone from voting for the sole reason that it seems as if there is no alternative. I just ask all of us who believe that our nation and our government needs a change to really sit down and think. There is an alternative to our system. It requires strong, creative soldiers who will fight for a real change.
Can the change that is needed be made by following the rules that are the very construct of the oppressive system?
Or, Is the change that the U.S. needs so drastic, so imperitive, that we can not wait for our vote to go through, and we can not wait for our laws to be passed through the courts. Does the change we so desperately need require more from us as change agents in our communities?
I would say that YES, the U.S.A. needs some real changes fast. In fact I would say that our country requires a revolution, a shift of power from the hands of the ferw into the hands of the masses.
Today was the day to vote and have your "voice count" but when will it be the day that we fight, and have our fist count?
So, I ask everyone who reads this to not only vote for our rights as people, but to fight for our rights as people. Do the most you can. Know your role and own it. We are in a movement for change.
Papers get lost, laws are slow, and politicians lie....so do your part as a soldier in the movement and do more, fight the power in whatever way you can, so that we will see a real change, not only in the United States but around the world, and in the hearts and minds of individual people.
Please respond to this honestly, openly and freely. Unlike voting, you do not need an ID or any proof of citizenship. You can express your voice freely, without fear of any punishment.
Thank you Young People For, you have brought together many minds and hearts that will help change our world.
Power to the People.
One Struggle. One Love.
Corina
Yes, but...
Well you have some good points but I feel that you should use a more multilayered way of bringing about change.
Yes, you should fight at a grassroots level and that is the most effective way to get anything done, true. I've been doing that with my organization (Texas Campaign for the Environment) for a little over two years and last year we got a good environmental bill passed UNANIMOUSLY in this big, red state.
But you need to also be a citizen lobbyist, write letters, call your elected officials, go to your capital and speak to them face to face. At any other job in any other career you would never interview a person, hire them, and then just assume that they'll do their work on time and correctly. So why do we forget about people after they've been elected or appointed? We need to stay on them until they feel our breath against the back of their necks.
And you should also vote because it is your right and responsibilty to do so and when you don't, it just gives them what they wanted anyway; a nation of apathetic citizens who have "better things" to do than pay attention to what their government is doing.
The government should fear its people. It should never be the other way around and that is at the root of our probelms here.
Huh Whah???
I am jumping on Meg's comment so I can be closer to the top ;)Meg - your points are great, but your title shouldnt be, "Yes, but..." -- it should be "HELL NO!"
Cornina's points are well taken, and just below, Patrick St. John can feel her sentiment and seems to agree. But for my more revolutionary brothers and sisters, you don't have to denigrate voting in order to promote doing something more.
The roots is where real, major change needs to start. Here are some problems:
First, "Our individual vote barely matters in the election." Of course the logic her is shot when you look at the absurdly close vote margins in recent elections - the final "official" tally in Florida in 2000 had Bush beating Gore by 537 votes. That is pretty honkin' close. And also, it's cliche, but of course if everyone thought that way... yada yada yada.
Second, it's true that history is decided by those who show up. So show up to vote! Otherwise you are letting others' decisions dominate you -- and trust me, your opponents do not want you to vote. When you stay home, they win (despite whatever stand you think you are taking).
And the statement that made me literally jump out of my chair:
"Can the change that is needed be made by following the rules that are the very construct of the oppressive system?"
I hope Corina - or any reader - does not actually believe that the VOTE is a tool of oppression. Voting, and the very concept of democracy, represent the "construct of an oppressive system?" I wouldn't say this is ludicrous, because the potential for oppression resides in any system (and there are things like the "tyranny of the majority" that could infect a democratic system and lead to oppression of minorities in the population). But the idea that the vote is something to rebel against as a form of tyranny in itself really needs to be rejected - which is why I am posting.
I am prone to writing things without thinking them completely through myself, so this is not directed at Corina in a harsh way, but if after further reflection she or any readers still find this sentiment make sense or ring true, I suggest diving into some historical research - American history, world history...
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Great post, Corina. I'm with you on just about all points. Is there an SDS chapter at Oglethorpe? Those would be the kind of kids to link up with; they're of a very similar mindset and are doing awesome grassroots, radical work.
Wrong.
You can advocate for your "grass roots" all you want. But without allies in government, the cause can't do shit.
Yes, we need a movement outside of government...outside of the Democratic Party, in fact (not another party, but an organized pressure that strengthens the true progressives while weakening the conservatives and opportunists).
But without also taking control of the governmental apparatus itself? Utterly impossible.
Skepticism is sometimes justifiable; but cynicism is completely worthless. It's the sophomoric apathy of young people like you that has given us men like Bush.
Bzuh?
Funny, I thought it was the electoral college that gave us Bush. Or Nader. Or Al Gore's incompetent campaign team. Or John Kerry's incompetent campaign team. Or faulty machines in Florida. Or rigged machine allocation in Ohio. ;)
But I digress. Did the Zapatistas need allies in the government in 1994? Did Madagascar's Tsimihety need allies in the government? Did the first kibbutzim need allies in London? Did Saul Alinsky need allies in Rochester when he took on Kodak?
If the movement/campaign is successful and popular, 1) there will as a result be sympathizers and allies in government, or 2) there won't need to be, because the goals of the movement are a-governmental and/or geared toward dual power (e.g. the Black Panthers' Breakfast for Children program).
You can advocate for your "grass roots" all you want. But without allies in government, the cause can't do shit.
Daaaaaamn. Who's the cynical one here? :)
"Revolution"
You mention not voting. You mention revolution. I would like to make a few comments, please don't consider them ad hominem attacks against you, just what you have written in this post.
"Revolution" can be a bitter term when looking at the annals of history. It can also be a term thrown about by angry youth who end up becoming muted in the popular discourse of average Americans (of all walks) who shy away from such harsh, loaded words, theories, and practices.
Why sit around bantering about why we shouldn't vote (a simple act) and instead organize at a grass roots level to CHANGE the vote?
Yes our government has problems but your analysis sounds like a postmodernist nightmare. Are you equating past sins to insurmountable hurdles that require a toppling of an entire system? That seems like a messy and unnecessary business compared to people-centered change USING (and working within) the system. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater?
So in essence I must say that I am really saddened by your message to "not vote". It sounds like the anarchist cynicism that turns so many off of the progressive movement and keeps us from beginning (slowly but surely) to change our society for the better.
Seconded
This is exactly what we were talking about in our earlier post about defining "progressivism."
Being anti-establishment for its own sake is a juvenile, counterproductive jesture.
Criticize the system - it deserves it. But follow up with decisive, collaborative action. And for God's sake, let's include the broader population in our struggle rather than scaring them off with trite 1960's soundbite.
This is an excellent and impoartant dialogue
Kudos to Corina for initiating the discussion. I definitely encourage everyone to be direct and honest with their reflections and comments, but in doing so keeping our dialogue and commentary focused on the issues raised rather than on the persons who raised them. That said, definitely keep the energy and dialogue going.
I will likely post a blog with extended thoughts on this issue, but I would like to raise several initial thoughts as well; especially as I often (and continue to) engage in a critical reflection about whether a system designed to create and perpetuate oppression can be fundamentally restructured to become a vehicle that dismantles oppression... (revisiting Freire and Fanon on this one).
That is a much larger conversation that I welcome to have, but for the context of this issue its important to point that the conservative movement is using every vehicle available to extend, promote, and mobilize their agenda--whether political, economic, social or otherwise. The right has mobilized their constituencies to vote for extreme conservative initiatives, elect far-right officials, and continue to do so in a highly organized, deeply funded manner.
While I am not advocating that we mimic the right, I do believe that we should not cede any ground on any frontline within any process/vehicle that would further imbalance power by consolidating theirs. I think it is critical that in the process of dismantling systems of oppression and creating a more just, equitable society we also use every available vehicle (or develop new ones) to expand, sustain, and build power. Building coalitions and alliances across various sectors and approaches is a difficult, but necessary process.
I'm rambling, so I'll close with a last thought. I heard a great poet (whose name slips my mind) speak about voting back in 2004 or so, and one of the lines stuck with me (though not verbatim, I think it captures the essence): "Voting is not an act of revolution, but neither is not voting." It stuck with me as a challenge to remember why we are in the process of social change before getting to the question of how; it also reminded me of a Freire quote: “It is absolutely essential that the oppressed participate in the revolutionary process with an increasingly critical awareness of their role as subjects of the transformation.” No matter what vehicle or process we choose to create the change, it is critical to remember WHY we are participating in that process because the manner and the means by which we participate is part of that transformation process itself.
Peace...
Elections Matter
You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Just one example: if Al Gore had been elected (and let's say re-elected) SCHIP would have been signed. That means millions of kids would have health insurance and access to doctors. You can complain all you want about whatever else is wrong, and there's a lot, but it's shameful to pretend that medical access for poor kids in America doesn't matter. It does. Steps like that shouldn't be scoffed at.
Also, you say:
What fear of punishment are you referring to? There are strong federal laws that have gone a long way towards reducing violence and coercion around elections (another set of laws that were too long in coming but which have produced a great net-positive for millions of people.) If you know of people who have been stopped from voting or who fear punishment, there are resources out there that they can access.
Thanks!
And another thing.
You say:
But your own state of Georgia just voted for a black man to be President of the United States. I mean . . .that's . . . that's amazing! Don't lose the forest for the trees.
To quote Tony Kushner:
Be impatient, by all means, but don't throw up your hands and say that the compact doesn't work. People far more excluded than you or I had faith in the basic systems of power the Constitution lays out. Times were worse for King or Douglass than they are for us. I would be loath to give up so quickly on an institution that they worked so long and hard to improve.
Phew. Ok. I'm done.
A wall can be broken down...
To start...
I wanted to really thank people for responding, because i am able to see how much power technology and thoughts really have. Espessially when people are in disagreement, and have great points.
So...before I start writing my words, Imma give a few quotes from some people i think really made a difference in this world...who were revolutionaries who refused to live under a law that was made to oppress them.
Assata Shakur is an amazing woman...a true revolutionary...
"A Wall is just a Wall.
And Nothing more at all.
It can be broken down."
Malcolm X was a great leader, and a major face in a revolution...
"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If your a (wo)man you take it."
Those are just some quotes I think of when i think of change.
I like what Calvin was saying about the poet..."Voting is not an act of revolution. But neither is not voting." It shows how much work is required for change.
To respond to Ben about revolution...to me revolution means change...everlasting real change. We may not agree that a revolution is needed but I am strongly for one.
Voting and democracy are very important...but there is a quote that i feel like represents a government..."A country is only as free as its most oppressed people." I forget who said this but if we are to follow this midset then the USA is not as free as we think of it. We have capitol punishment, humans are illegal, prisoners cant vote...in fact it is not even a law that Black people can vote...it is an act that has to be passed about every 10 years.
But you know what is amazing about voting esp. this year in 2008....how many young people voted, and how many people in general went out to vote. There is so much energy around voting, fat tuesday...and the final day of voting....what if as "progressives" (a term i hate becuase i feel liek it is too polite and moderate...but that is a personal problem) we set up a system for young people espessially to put their energy into a movement...and organized movement that is sustainable past voting day...a movement that would keep the government that was just elected in check with the people.
I will not continue much longer, just wanted to respond to the statement of the cynical and pessimistic attityde...Really my attitude is faithful, utilitarian and positive...I have faith that we will as a peopl ebe able to use what we have to really create a positive change in our global community.
I will just end this with wise words from Assata Shakur...
"A wall is just a wall.
And nothing more at all.
It can be broken down."
Thank you again...and keep responding...
With love, Corina
One Struggle. One Love.
Examples?
You still haven't explained how we can make sustainable - or even revolutionary - change without also taking control of government.
It's one thing to wax poetic. It's another to make plans and act on them.
I've given you examples in
I've given you examples in an earlier comment. If the past 150 years has shown us anything, it's that it is near impossible to end up with anything good when revolutionaries change things by taking control of the government. In fact, revolutionaries have quite a knack at becoming reactionaries when they're handed the reins of the state.
No "either/or" choices
Reactionaries? Or simply bureaucrats? It's the nature of all revolutionary movements to ossify into a standardized, rational-legal system with time. Not that there's anything wrong with that - sustained charisma is a murderous nightmare (look at China's Cultural Revolution). Read your Weber! ;-)
Unless you're advocating anarchism (which is functionally impossible on anything above the commune level), then I still don't understand how we can make social change without also changing the laws.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding here - are you seeing this as an either/or situation where you can either influence civil society or the state? Understand that I'm talking about both when I highlight the state's importance (it's just something that progressives, and leftists in general, seem to deliberately underestimate).
Of course we need to radicalize civil society. It's just that you can only change so much when the enemy controls the law. If you obstinantly refuse to vote, then the conservatives and the DLC have already won.
every time and anarchist gets called out an angel gets its wings
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Reject simplified, counterculture soundbite solutions
It isn't death or destruction that makes anarchy an unattractive option. It's the self-imposed weakness of otherwise good-hearted people that dissapoints me.
When people with good politics willingly disregard organization, the people who aren't afraid of power have that much more of it. And they won't hesitate to use it against us. They sure as hell aren't now.
Erm...
I appreciate the comment and the clear invitation for riposte, but I'll parry -- we'd need to set aside a lot of blog space to debate the merits of an entire political philosphy, especially one the likes of anarchism (which should tell us that it's not the best forum for such a discussion in the first place). :)
What a great discussion!
I echo Calvin - thanks for getting it started!
I am for revolution too. And the other comments on this comment get into the whole nature of how to bring about real change, who are the revolutionaries really when they take over, etc etc. All interesting stuff.
To addres the entire thread, I think it's clear that what we SHOULD be able to agree on is that we need civic action - voting - AND more aggressive actvism, in combination with eachother.
I think the problem is in treating one as a substitute for the other.
Matt Taibbi's latest in Rolling Stone speaks to this a little bit. "Chicken Doves" is not totally analogous, and focuses on one issue, but it definitely shows the need for more than just voting, and that the uncompromising forces of drastic change need to remain separate from the powers that be (even if, ultimately, they end up on the same side of an issue).
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18349197/the_chic...
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